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New Way to Help Chickens Cross to Other Side 
22nd-Oct-2010 01:45 pm
I hope this article won't cause too much controversy: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/22/business/22chicken.html It's about a couple of companies using carbon dioxide (some commenters of the article think the writer actually meant carbon monoxide... I don't know enough about the science of these things to be sure) to put chickens to sleep before being hung upside down and killed. The article has a couple of graphic descriptions on slaughtering so a fair warning there, but there's no pics. Personally I think this is a step in the right direction regarding the slaughter of animals.
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22nd-Oct-2010 12:36 pm (UTC)
The more psychologically comfortable we make slaughter the less likely it is to end. Although at least it is an acknowledgment that chickens suffer, and that their suffering is wrong.
22nd-Oct-2010 01:39 pm (UTC)
The more psychologically comfortable we make slaughter the less likely it is to end

this, so hard.
22nd-Oct-2010 01:39 pm (UTC)
Agreed.
22nd-Oct-2010 12:55 pm (UTC)
It's carbon dioxide. It's been used as a form of putting small mammals to sleep to euthanize them humanely for awhile. If the CO2 level increases gradually, you don't realize what's going on and drop off to sleep (which is what can make it dangerous).
23rd-Oct-2010 03:10 am (UTC)
this.
22nd-Oct-2010 01:53 pm (UTC)
Personally I think this is a step in the right direction regarding the slaughter of animals.

No, it's definitely not. It just makes people pat themselves on the back for being "humane", therefore making it easier to stomach the slaughter and decreasing the chances of it ever ending.
22nd-Oct-2010 02:16 pm (UTC)
You honestly think it'll end someday?
22nd-Oct-2010 03:44 pm (UTC)
Realistically, probably not but that's what I'll always aim and work for. I'm not comfortable with calling this a step in the right direction.
22nd-Oct-2010 02:12 pm (UTC)
Can we PLEASE not talk about the murder of innocent animals in a VEGETARIAN community?!

22nd-Oct-2010 02:17 pm (UTC)
Ignorance is bliss to you?
22nd-Oct-2010 02:33 pm (UTC)
I don't really think this is about ignorance. The person clearly is disturbed and fully aware of how horrible it is that these animals are killed. they just don't want it thrown in their face in a vegetarian community on top of being faced with it wherever they go (meat ads, restaurants etc), especially in a context that's trying to praise the methods with which the killing is done. or at least that's how i felt when i read this whole post...
22nd-Oct-2010 03:50 pm (UTC)
You took the words right out of my mouth.
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22nd-Oct-2010 03:33 pm (UTC)
Exactly...
22nd-Oct-2010 10:49 pm (UTC)
I think this comment is really inappropriate. You posted here ostensibly to discuss and/or debate and instead you've just made curt, overtly snarky comments to people who either disagree or are disturbed by the post. It's not really convincing me that you actually wanted to discuss this.
23rd-Oct-2010 03:01 am (UTC)
Thanks, Julie. I think so too. I feel like this post is entirely inappropriate for this community and there has been NO discussion from the OP.
22nd-Oct-2010 03:37 pm (UTC) - Mod Note
While I do think this is an interesting debate topic, I'd like for this to be under a cut with a (not terribly overdone) description of what is underneath.

I do appreciate, though, that you did not copy/paste the contents of the article here.

Thank you!
- Nacho
23rd-Oct-2010 03:04 am (UTC) - Re: Mod Note
Hey, FYI this is still not under a cut, and no relevant discussion has been had. Can I request something be done (delete the post, can a mod edit it to cut it, something please)?
22nd-Oct-2010 04:44 pm (UTC)
I may be in the minority here, but I grew up on a small family farm where the only meat we ate lived in our backyard beforehand. My reasons for not eating meat has more to do with the way the animals are raised and the disturbing disconnect from the reality of the process that gets meat to the table.

I think the fact that these companies are saying that they know people don't want to know where their meat comes from and are labeling their products to reflect that is problematic. "Slaughtered in the 'nicest' way we could think of" is not the same as "lived a life suitable for the animal" and people need to realize that. All in all, this new method probably has less to do with trying to be humane and more to do with less damage to their "product" which is why I find it appalling. More needs to be done to ensure the health and quality of life for the animals.

The reason I decided to start cutting animal products out of my diet is because I was not comfortable with the way it was getting to my plate. I figure that since I don't have it in me to turn an animal into food at my own hands the only responsible thing to do is refuse to pay a third party that disregards the life of the animal to do it for me. The problem is that so many people have never been exposed to where their food comes from and the companies they buy from are all too eager to shade them from the truth.

[sorry for the novel]
22nd-Oct-2010 06:16 pm (UTC)
I figure that since I don't have it in me to turn an animal into food at my own hands the only responsible thing to do is refuse to pay a third party that disregards the life of the animal to do it for me.

My thoughts exactly. I have no problem with people who, say, hunt and fish; at least they're killing the animals themselves. What I don't like is when people pay others to do the dirty work for them. If you wouldn't be willing to kill an animal yourself, you shouldn't eat it!
22nd-Oct-2010 06:05 pm (UTC)
Well my view is death is death, so it's not going to make me eat meat again, but it does sound like less suffering for the animal.
In my experience it won't make people eat more meat because the majority of people I know don't know/care how the animal is killed, because they don't think about it, and disassociate the meat from the animal it comes from. :/
22nd-Oct-2010 07:10 pm (UTC)
Mmmm. Still wouldn't make me comfortable with eating meat. After nearly 7 months of staying the heck away from it, it's quite repulsive to me now, humane or not.
22nd-Oct-2010 10:06 pm (UTC)
This topic is relevant to AR and I'm glad you posted it. I would like to note that PETA has supported the movement towards controlled-atmosphere killing and lobbies major corporations to demand that their suppliers use it.

http://www.peta.org/features/the-case-for-controlled-atmosphere-killing.aspx

I understand many AR activists don't support it and have good reasons for not doing so; however, this doesn't make the topic or the support of it inappropriate to post here.
22nd-Oct-2010 10:50 pm (UTC)
Oh also, re. the title of your post - this is not "helping chickens cross to the other side." It is slaughter, plain and simple.
23rd-Oct-2010 02:06 am (UTC)
I thought the title was a clever pun on the old 'why does the chicken cross the road' joke.
23rd-Oct-2010 03:10 am (UTC)
You are quite perceptive! Most people might have missed that!

That doesn't take away for the totally tasteless nature of making such a joke. In the least.
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30th-Oct-2010 05:11 am (UTC)
Happy meat?
Ethical meat?
Humane meat?

Happy killing.
Ethical killing.
Humane killing.

These are all oxymorons.

I get that we need steps in the right direction, but time and energy need to be dedicated to REDUCING murder, not making it less painful or more efficient.
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